that is known as a quad breaker. all "4" breakers are one assembly, therefore they can not be separated. the national electric code now requires all circuits feeding outside buildings be protected by a GFCI breaker at the source-your inside panel. i suggest you use the breaker space in your existing panel to supply a sub-panel located adjacent to your existing panel. you can then move the two 15 amp circuits to the subpanel and add a 50 amp GFCI breaker to feed the outdoor circuit. you will probably need a 4-wire feeder to the outbuilding- 2 phase (hot) wires, 1 grounded (neutral white insulated) wire and a ground wire that does not require insulation. check wire length for voltage loss and possible upsizing. may want to hire an electrician!
On Sunday, December 4, 2016 8:30 PM, "John Moss mossj555@gmail.com [DoIt_Yourself]" <DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I did upgrade to 8ga.
Thanks for the other info, useful going forward. Where would I find out if I have the proper bus bar configuration. Maybe time to call an Electrician.
On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 5:35 PM, David Cox dcwired@att.net [DoIt_Yourself] <DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
1st off, it is not advisable to replace a 30 amp breaker w/ a 50 amp unless you replaced the wire with a larger size. A larger size breaker does not mean the existing wire can safely carry more power. You probably have #10 wire and will need at least #8.This breaker is possibly a twin style breaker with all 4 handles built into 1 breaker. I am not all that familiar with Siemens/ITE, but you may not have the proper bus bar configuration for separate 15 amp and a 2 pole breaker in the allotted space.Sorry for being so detailed, but I take electricity seriously. I am an electrician.
On 12/4/2016 3:43 PM, mossj555@gmail.com [DoIt_Yourself] wrote:
I'm replacing a double 30 amp with a double 50 amp circuit breaker. This is power for an out building.
When I try to remove the double 30 breaker, the 2 15 amp breakers on either side also start to come out. It's like the breakers are fused together. The pic elec-panel3 shows all the breakers together.
Has anyone seen this before? I guess I could just replace the 2 15 amp breakers, but would rather not have to.
Thanks for any tips or suggestions,John in Denver
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