Hey, wait a minute, the only permit that we need is the one for the septic! LoL and a lot of us like it that way!
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From: DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JEFFREY WILLIAMS
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 11:57 AM
To: DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DIY] Speaking of outlets
As a contractor building a home for a buyer, the client is involved with the builder and engineer to come up with a home floor plan and then sets of blue prints for the licensed tradesmen such as your self.Based on the blueprints I am able to obtain bids from these tradesman for their work performed thus coming up with a final figure for the homeowner to present to the bank to start the building process.In a home that is to be built on speculation (no buyer yet) the contractor relies on home styles and square footage that are currently selling in the market that contractor is in.These "spec" homes usually are basic plain Jane if you will for two reasons.The first is obvious as the contractor is laying out his own money and tries to get the most for the least amount spent and still build within the building code.The second reason is that as a contractor that has built "spec" homes before have learned that if building to there own taste and you have to wait till someone that comes along and likes your personal tastes as well, that my friend is a tall order I have found that when a new home is shown minimally done sells faster as the potential buyers can visualize and vocalized tweaking the home to their tastes.The down side to either is that once the owners leave these homes tweaked for their tastes.It leaves a home that people buy and only to find out when trying to remodel the home to fit their taste that there are many issues that only money and someone with more knowledge than the basic DIYer can do. I personally do not believe this is a national problem as the national building code is very basic and unless you live in a very rural area most town and state codes add more code requirements in order to pass code enforcement and grant the building permit.Your frustration I feel is misguided as you lay blame on the builders,they of which relay on licensed tradesman such as yourself to wire the home based on its layout and have no control on the materials and code requirements you are governed by in order for you work to pass inspection.hope this helps jeff
From: wired <wiredformen@yahoo.com>
To: DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: [DIY] Speaking of outlets
As an electrician, I do not understand why builders and contractors only put in what is the minimum code requirements. They figure that the prospective buyer will not notice the number of plugs until they have already bought the house. This is a national problem. I am so tired of hearing "it is not required."
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Tangent: Do any of you remember a few years (or decades) ago when a big storm hit Florida and there was a neighborhood where two different builders built homes on each side of the street? One side had 1/2 of the roofing blown off while on the other side not 1 shingle blew off. The good builder commented (in broken English)," how do the other contractors sleep at night(doing inferior work)?".
--- In DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com, Jan Flood <jan.flood2@...> wrote:
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> Thanks for the comments. My only knowledge of electricity is turning a light on and off :) Would defnitely have the electrician do it, however, it sounds more costly than I had hoped. It would probably be fairly easy to run it under the house and up -- but the labor would be much higher. Lived with it for 6 years so will continue. One of the things I loved about building our own homes, I had all the outlets I needed, where I needed them!
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> Don't understand the builder though, this is an upper-middle class home, guess that's what you'd call it, less than 20 years old. He was/is a skilled builder and his homes are sought after for the high quality. So why are there so few outlets in the house? It couldn't have been cost, wonder if it was something as simple as the area? Maybe builders in the midwest didn't put a high priority on that type of thing?
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