Do it Yourself: Re: [DIY] Re: painting over caulking

Like I said, at this point I was looking for peace. I told him could be he was right; and if they cannot be repaired without drywall (and there were plenty of other errors) I would tell him that I was wrong. :-) He seemed to feel that a "patch-up job" was acceptable. He again intimated that I am a perfectionist and I was willing to admit that maybe I am looking for too much so as not to smash the man's feelings entirely. Now I am looking into doing a Venetian plaster type finish OR simply leave it alone or maybe sanding it down, or hiring someone else to do it. I didn't want it to come to this, meaning that it would cost me so much time and possibly more money, but that seems to be the standard as I read the many posts regarding paint jobs. It does look cleaner, but obviously not up to my expectations, some of which may be wrong, but the dullness of finish in the patch work might have been eliminated by a more experienced and talented painter. And as I was investigating more I do see that the cut he made across the top is not in any way as the experts recommend it. I believe it is to be well rolled into with a roller after the stroke has been made on the top with a brush, almost right to the edge. Oh well, chalk this up to a GOOD education. :-) At this point, I would hardly dare to do it myself for several reasons, and one of those reasons is not my back, my age, or my lack of strength. It would be lack of knowledge. But I do have a certain better basic education, very basic, and now I see it pays to hire someone that is fastidious and experienced. Thank you, Roger.

From: Roger <frontierrog@yahoo.com
To: DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [DIY] Re: painting over caulking

It's interesting that the man says it will never look right unless he drywalls it, yet you are looking at it through a microscope? The pictures (clearly not through a microscope!) show the imperfections. They are very noticeable and unacceptable.

But I believe you resolved the situation well. As Dale suggested, better to keep a friend than make an enemy!

--- On Fri, 10/21/11, Cindi Waters <clean_boost@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Cindi Waters <clean_boost@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [DIY] Re: painting over caulking
To: "DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com" <DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, October 21, 2011, 7:12 PM

That's a good idea about finding a good drywaller. The man came tonight and we calmly discussed the situation. He said unless he drywalls the wall it will never look right. He felt I was looking at things through a microscope. Maybe I am, but time will tell. This is the first time I've ever had my own place and hired a painter, so I have nothing to go by. He says he did not use caulking for the patches, he used drywall compound. Since I didn't watch him, I cannot say right now one way or the other. He showed me the bottom of the wall where it meets the baseboard and that is where he put the caulking. I see the line of caulking at the baseboard. We paid him $100 and said that we appreciate what he has done so far and unless he wants to put more work in for the $200 to correct what I see as problems, we will give him $100 and let the matter go. He accepted that, did not seem eager to collect the rest by putting in more work. My friend, who works as an apt. manager, said that $100 was enough anyway for a small room. Cindi

From: Cindi Waters <clean_boost@yahoo.com>
To: "DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com" <DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: [DIY] Re: painting over caulking

I know

From: Bill Chmelik <Chmelik@earthlink.net>
To: DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:36 AM
Subject: RE: [DIY] Re: painting over caulking

If he can't spackle and paint a few nail holes and the like, I would NEVER allow him to drywall. Find a GOOD drywaller, they are worth the price, painting is much easier, and the wall looks smooth.

Bill

From: DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Cindi Waters
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:56 PM
To: DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DIY] Re: painting over caulking

I will look for the book by Burg. Thanks. Where we're at now is we are going to offer this person $150 for the job so far and $50 when it is finished to my satisfaction. He wants to do drywall but I'm afraid to let him do it, but my husband wants to allow him to "try." My fear is that he'll try and mess it up even more and it will cost us more than $50. Oh well ... I guess I'll have to face that if it happens.

I am also going to Home Depot with the receipt and UPC for the caulk (I see caulk and a few other things on the receipt) to see exactly what he bought and what the paint dept. says about it.

From: greatyoga <greatyoga@yahoo.com>
To: DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:04 PM
Subject: [DIY] Re: painting over caulking

Usually, caulking is done on a small area or fairly thin strips. It is too hard to get a flat surface with it on a bigger area and it is more expensive than spackle. It depends on the size of the area. Maybe the spackle did not dry if it was real thick. Spackle will sand well but spackle with paint over it will also be sticky. To get the right texture, use the same sort of paint roller or maybe try a brush and then use a damp sponge and gently blot it to get a texture.

I don't know the exact relationship of this but possibly tell him you can pay him when the job is complete. Tell him you know he worked hard but you need it right. You can say it in a non threating way. You said you paid him $200 for 6 hours of work. This is a very good wage so you have a right to very good work. Ask him he he is too busy to do it then you are willing to finish and deduct your time from his wage. I would take a look at a book by Bob Burg. You can get it at the library or at a place like Amazon. I forget the name but he has a beautiful way of confronting people so they will bend over backwards to help you.

GB

--- In DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com, Cindi Waters <clean_boost@...> wrote:
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> I am honestly not disagreeing and won't go into details about why I allowed him to do the work in the first place and how this is playing out with interpersonal relationships, I can't figure everything out, and so I don't try except to say that in my later life I realize things can be difficult and I was never one to be supreme at getting along with people. I have been through enough therapy and life to know what's up with myself to a large degree, and I try not to kick myself or chastise myself to a large degree, but I go through many hours of reproaching myself for whatever. And I know that has got to stop because much of it is beyond my control. OK, so getting back to the question -- and now I have another one maybe more important than the first one as to what do you think he used if it is sticky? (Yes, I will ask...when I get a chance but I can't find out today) I know I have a "right" to ask, but sometimes it's better to back away from my rights,
> imho. This guy seems to have a screw loose but he's blaming me for the loose screws in my head, lol, and I woke up today to an epiphany, of which I am so relieved! And that is -- I simply cannot control everybody. :-) And do not want to be disturbed when I feel someone is unreasonable. But then, as you imply, I don't have to put up with their nonsense either although sometimes situations are such that I must put up with things the best I can.
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> since I sanded down to what I think is a level of satisfaction the rotten spots, I want to paint over them. He purportedly used a sponge roller. Those areas I sanded down are now without the eggshell texture and most of the gloss is gone. So, do I simply roll over those areas? Or do I have to paint the entire one wall?I HOPE I don't have to cut into the top of the wall, and I'm scared that if i have to do the entire wall I will have to cut into the top with a brush. I can do it, but I need to be prepared.
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> There are more forces at work here than my will. I'm a tough customer, hairdressers have fired me, lol, because I had to wait too long, and I fired a doctor or two because I had to wait too long without adequate explanation. Then again, I'm been fired also from some jobs and people. :-) I do know this, however, Roger, both from my past and from whatever mind God gave me -- that some people are not necessarily mature enough to understand what they are doing and how they affect other people. I'm willing to make peace, but not necessarily at the expense of my own peace if I can avoid it, and having more of a botched up job with a person that does not respect me enough to take the time to explain things. Thanks for your support and understanding, I mean that. :-) Bye for now...Cindi
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> To: "DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com" <DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com>
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> This is your house! You have a right to know what has been done to it. Is this guy a close friend that you don't want to offend? Even so it's not right for a friend to take advantage of your friendship like this. And I feel that a friend that acts like this to you is really not much of a friend anyway.
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> Now the person that painted seemingly used caulking. He gets irritated when I ask him any questions, so I'm afraid to ask exactly what did he use. When I was sanding over the blotchy places today, it seems that under one spot was a tacky material. Therefore I assume it is caulk, or caulk that did not dry properly before he applied the paint to it. I am trying to sand out the spots he left, maybe I can, maybe I can't do the job, but I am willing to try, and then paint over the sanded down areas. My first question is: do you think that pasty stuff that I found slightly under a patched up job is caulking? And if so, can I sand it down enough to smooth it out and paint over that area again? (wot a mess)
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