Hey, there are times when being green just doesn't matter. You have to set priorities,,LOL
But on that note, we live rural and use propane, top of the head guestimation of about 25% savings in propane use since installation.
Rich B
On 4/1/2014 2:56 PM, Mountain Master wrote:
But on that note, we live rural and use propane, top of the head guestimation of about 25% savings in propane use since installation.
Rich B
On 4/1/2014 2:56 PM, Mountain Master wrote:
well...an hour shower....how green of you....lOL>..but I may consider the unit...
tank you a lot!!!--- Now Kate is wondering why we dont take 1 hour showers!!! hahahha
Rich and Kate...
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From: R Bynum <bynumo2000@yahoo.com>
To: DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [DIY] Hot water tank
Hmm. As I said I have a TK O 3(outside flueless), not TK 3, but Im sure the "specs" cant be much different.
As for exaggerate? Just the facts Maam or Mister as it were. It happened, I was there, I was wet, a little fluctuation but never cold. YMMV
And an even more pleasurable benefit, we have a huge shower and the wife and I have spent an hour or so in there and never ran out of hot water. Tank that. LOL
Rich B
On 4/1/2014 12:25 PM, Mountain Master wrote:
<<snip>> we have had 2 showers, washing machine and dish washer going at the same time, the only limit is the water pressure, not the heater.
Rich B
http://www.takagi.com/download/product_manuals/T-K3-Pro.pdf
hmmm.Takagi specs at above 7 GPM water temp recovery rate is very low (50F and this
is chilly to me!! LOL ...wonder how you did 2 showers, etc etc all at same time...and each shower
is what 2-3 GPM, etc et...kinda exaggerate the specs? we have hard enuf time with 2 showers
and the kids...and 50 gal tank set at 130...
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From: R Bynum <bynumo2000@yahoo.com>
To: DoIt_Yourself@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [DIY] Hot water tank
My whole house is plumbed with PEX. The only thing you have to make sure is that no sunlight reaches it because it is not UV stable and will deteriorate. I have had a tankless Takagi TKO 3 for 7 years now with no problems whatsoever. We also have the remote inside the house which is very convenient when you want 161° water for a really dirty chore, just bump up the temp, but remember to turn it back down before you get in the shower,LOL.
As to the comment made about not being able to supply enough for 4 at once, not my experience at all. That's one of the really nice things about it, we have had 2 showers, washing machine and dish washer going at the same time, the only limit is the water pressure, not the heater.
Rich B
On 3/31/2014 7:21 PM, Dale S wrote:
One advantage of the tankless with remote is that the temp can be set so that no cold water mix is required and therefore there is far more warm water available overall. We keep the tankless set at 104 deg F which is just right for showering and bathing, plus with the washer set on Hot the water temp is just about what it would wind up being when mixed with cold water on the warm setting. The 6 gallon point of use tank is electric and never actually sees cold water as it is installed in the hot water line from the tankless so it is only making up the difference in temp. Tankless heaters have really improved the last few years and I believe the day will come when hot water tanks are no longer available here in the U.S. as they have already all but disappeared in Europe. All of the plumbing in our home is plastic and with pex now rapidly becoming the norm, copper will probably disappear as well. One nice advantage with pex is that it can freeze solid and not burst as there is a certain degree of expandability built in, and so far no one is stealing pex piping while everyone is gone or a dwelling is vacant. Pex was not available when I re-plumbed this house over 20 years ago but if there is ever any problem I will certainly invest in the necessary crimping tools and go the pex/manifold route.
Dale in the Flatlands. "Why waste time learning when ignorance is instantaneous."Mountain Master wrote:
Deciding factor vis-a-vis tankless versus new tank would of course be
cost of your energy source...here in San Diego I replaced with gas
tank rather than tankless..as electric costs 1.5x gas and would 2x as much
to go to an electric 6 gal kitchen sink heater...
It took only about 1/2 day to replace our tank...sweating the copper fittings
took the longest (besides disposing of the old tank)...it was a very satisfying
project and not that complex...Long story short I would never replace
50 gal tank with tankless as tankless cannot keep up with family of 4
showers//we threw out one in previous house and it was only a few years
old..actually sold on CL..You would need to be handy with propane torch
and soldering copper pipes but that is easy to learn and a very satisfying
DIY skill if you do not know already...I have since put in outdoor shower
and sink for the mudroom...
Rich and Kate
PS-
David..I object to your English lesson which contributed nothing to the
tank thread and was very disrespectful to Dale's post IMHO...
I f you can't say something nice then silence is better...again IMHO
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